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Comme on fait le WAVE la plus longue balade en voiture electrique nous sommes heureux de poster des photos de notre C3 Picasso.

Autonomie: 240km
Vmax: 140 km/h
Consommation: ~0,85Ah/km

Je vais poster plus d'infos quand j'ai du temps...

Pas mal
Mais pourquoi une concession a t elle le l authorisation de modifier un picasso en electrique et les autres se voient refuser?

Je pense que ce C3 Picasso est un modèle unique car n'ayant pas de compte "FaceBiquette" je n'ai pas trouvé d'info sur ce modèle

Je n'ai pas "fesse" book. Peux-tu mettre les photos sur le forum?

240 km c'est très bien. 140 km/h c'est pas terrible pour les autoroutes allemandes

0,85 Ah ça fait combien de kWh pour 100 km et combien le poids de la voiture?

Et la puissance de la voiture cela donne quoi? Combien pour atteindre les 100 km/h si c'est pas juste déposer les enfants a l'école et faire les courses.

Pas de compte facebook non plus mais il y a un lien pour voir des photos sur le 1er Post.
On y voit un C3picasso blanc : c'est celui là dont on cause ?
immatriculé en Allemagne?
il a obtenu ses papiers?

Taue2512 a écrit :Je vais poster plus d'infos quand j'ai du temps...

J'ai vraiment hâte de vous lire !!!

Des détails !!! des détails !!!

140 c'est très bien même sur l'Autobahn. Les 3/4 des kilomètres d'autoroutes allemandes sont limités à 120 ou parfois 130. Et sur le no-limit il y a quand même pas mal d'automobilistes (et les PL...) qui ne dépassent pas 120. Ce qui est assez pénible sur certains tronçons, c'est la succession (parfois tous les quelques km) de sections à 120 et de sections non limitées, en alternance. Pour ceux qui veulent rouler des mécaniques (tout en respectant la loi) cela se traduit par du "stop & go), accélération, bourrinage, puis freinage devant le panneau 120, puis pépère jusqu' au panneau fin-de-120 et ça recommence. C'est tout sauf reposant, et bien sûr très carbonisant.

140 a l'heure ils vont vider les accus en 50 bornes ?

Perso je n'ai jamais essayer sur 50 km mais d'autres cela ne leur fait pas même pas peur.

http://www.moteurnature.com/actu/uneact ... s_id=27031

Arrêter de voir la voiture electrique comme une voiture de deuxième ordre.

Je prend ma voiture électrique tout les jours sur une voie rapide à 110 km/h et quelques fois sur l'autoroute a 130 km/h

Et bien sûre, si on me propose une voiture électrique capable de faire plus de 150 km a 130 km/h je prend tout simplement.

C'est pas un inconvénient mais un avantage.

http://www.buzzecolo.com/23202/formule-e/


Arrêter de voir le bout de votre nez. La voiture doit tout simplement remplacer la voiture thermique et le plus tôt sera le mieux. Y compris les formule 1.

http://www.voiture-electrique-populaire ... lectriques

Beaucoup de personnes on du mal à se projeter dans le future n'est ce pas

BMW Activé E bridé à 150 km/h

Future i3 bridé à 150 km/h autonomie 300 km pour le moment...

... 300 km avec un moteur à essence 3 cylindres (!) de 1,5 litres qui fume derrière...

Sans cette anachronisme, c'est 160 Km.

Et alors il est où ce "picachou" ?
Il y a quoi dedans ? Il ressemble à quoi ? Expérimental ?
Moi non plus, pas "tronche livre"

Une formule 1 va seulement à 600 km/h. C'est un peu limite sur les circuits.

Les gros diesels font seulement 1400 kms d'autonomie. Un peu juste pour traverser l'europe et revenir.

Les avions gros porteurs vont seulement à 1000 km/h. C'est nul.

Les 36 tonnes peuvent seulement porter 30 tonnes, c'est nul si on veut porter un 40 tonnes plein...

C'est facile de dire "seulement"...

Et voilá: des vidéos...
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... By9QpgSrZS

Je vais poster une presentation de la voiture apres ma retour sur TLSe.

Ben, pour l'instant le liens vers mon blog en Allemand et l'article en anglais.

Our rally vehicle for the WAVE 2013, the snow-white Citroen C3 Picasso 100% electric had its roll-out just a few days before the rally, the conversion to an EV was done by the Citroen dealership Zwinzscher in Altmittweida near Dresden in Germany, where we also got our private Citroen C-Zero from.

Since it is virtually a very first attempt and probably the world's first all-electric C3 Picasso, the car itself was still in some sort of beta phase. The battery management system display module was not securely mounted and where once the shift lever was located on the center tunnel, there were now a deep hole. But these flaws are only cosmetic.

From a technical point of view there were as well some unfinished tasks, mainly because of lack of time. For example a CAN emulator module was not yet integrated into the car, which would have helped to suppress the various error messages on the vehicle bus. Therefore there were always some permanently illuminated warning lights on the dashboard and we were forced to go to the Alps without power steering and ESP during the whole rally. On top, from time to time, the BMS was simply shutting off, which resulted to a complete restart – like that we were never bored as "test drivers".

Other side effects were caused by faulty signals and error messages on the CAN bus due to the absence of the combustion engine: Below 10 km/h the instrument controller stubbornly put the car in the so-called power-saving mode. However, this had the consequence that both low beam, turn signals, power windows, radio, and even the cigarette lighter weren’t powered anymore.

All in all, I must say that the car was still in spite of the overall technical “bugs” surprisingly manageable and extremely comfortable despite the missing power steering. Compared to the whisper-quiet C-Zero our C3 was a bit louder with some resemblance of a tram – but this noise was a helpful aid while driving in the mountains as you could actually hear the feedback from the throttle changing from consumption to regeneration.

Another secret weapon on board the car during the rally was also the manually switchable limiter to 100 amps, once activated it is limiting the power of the electric motor to an amount which is sufficient enough in all driving situations up to speeds of 110km/h. With this limiter enabled you get only minor loss in acceleration. Without a limiter, the car runs perfectly smooth to levels up to 165 km/h which we also used on some sections on motorways during the rally.

It is interesting to experience this limiter in the mountains in order to economically climb steep passes, because you will only consume up to 100A (instead of sometimes over 190A) and once you’ve reached the ridge, going downhill the full weight of the vehicle of 2 metric tons coupled with the extremely good energy recovery characteristics of the engine coming into play. In some sections when we have driven about 50km, we had more electricity in the batteries on arrival than at the departure, despite some sections with some very steep climbs.

The car has a total of two batteries, one placed forward in the engine compartment, a second much larger battery pack under the double floor directly above the rear axle. Fortunately, the effective volume of the interior and the ground clearance of the vehicle are fully maintained in contrast to other modifications, such as the German E-Cars Stromos. The 48 battery cells provide 165V nominal operating voltage and have a total capacity of about 45Wh. In normal driving on level ground no less 230km distance are possible with this configuration.
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During the rally we have even reached consumptions around 0.85 Ah/km, what that would mean with the available 280Ah even far more (between 50-80 km of additional) autonomy - would have been easily possible.

Our C3 Picasso 100% electric was getting recharged using a standard CEE blue 16A C located in the engine compartment (sometimes with an adapter to Schuko) to any household outlet, in this point of the company who did the conversion of the vehicle will probably still make improvements in the near future and will most probably add more convenient access and possibly even different charge standards such as CHAdeMO quick charge or multi-phase load via CEE 32A red integrated directly. The key problem was that with only one single charger at 13.5A, a complete recharge could have taken more than 10h using household sockets. So we were tweaking this during the rally for the days with longer stages of up to 280km.

To overcome this caveat we simply integrated a second charger to split the charging time in half. This is actually very simple and made possible because of the consistent use of generic components in battery management system and because of the easy access to the battery bus connectors and the high voltage elements. The installation of high-voltage connectors for integration of additional removable charger took us less than 10 minutes and at the end this operation simplified our planning our loading strategy significantly.

All in all I have to say that this car is fun and pure pleasure to drive as a pure electric-powered full-fledged five-seater family car. Whopping 350kg load of luggage are also included and the back seats are reversible for more bulky items to transport. Unlike other conversions it is remarkable that the standard transmission was omitted and the car really behaves like a true large-scale production electric vehicle while driving. Now, if even the missing CAN module is fitted, this particular electric conversion is really perfectly done.

And last but not least the price level, this vehicle is certainly an interesting choice. Prices range for small-batch production around 32.000-38.000 euros, depending on the battery used for the complete vehicle. Certainly this is a little more than to pay for the pure gasoline version, but in the medium term, this additional cost is being amortized by less inspection effort, less wear parts and clearly by the cheaper "fuel" costs. And since this modification is just not an ordinary car from the stock, you won’t get tricked into a completely useless battery leasing model, because there is 5 years warranty on the battery from a German production.

Let's hope that people opt for this rather unusual (but yet very practical) electric vehicle.




Des photos: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/77et2kbst27ykut/PEe5HIP-g0
Le Blog : http://www.motor-talk.de/blogs/passat-c ... 08463.html